A Voice of Reason: Sane Views for a Crazy World

March 13, 2007

Quote of the Day

As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.

George Washington

16 Comments »

  1. Great quote…remember…our Founding Fathers were indeed LIBERALS! Conservatives seemed to have hijacked their legacy…and have tried to rewrite history. Let’s not let that happen.

    Comment by David Schleicher — March 13, 2007 @ 4:04 am | Reply

  2. While I know he was a flawed man, I don’t know how many times I have marvelled at the mercy that this man became our nation’s first President. Truly, he was the right man in the right place at the right time. May we all remember the model he set in virtuous service to his fellow citizens.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 13, 2007 @ 4:04 am | Reply

  3. David,
    Thanks for the feedback.

    While, I don’t know if he would be a liberal or a conservative in today’s discussions, his model of service to his fellow citizens, and the very important concept of civility to all who are worthy members of the community, as well as civil rights, are a model that both sides, left and right need to follow.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 13, 2007 @ 4:06 am | Reply

  4. David, the liberals of their day were more conservative than the conservatives of today.

    Comment by thelonedrifter — March 13, 2007 @ 4:27 am | Reply

  5. TLD –
    Perhaps a distinction needs to be made within Conservatives as what type of a Conservative you are.

    I find I am not at all Conservative – at least by today’s standards, much in the same way that Barry Goldwater said to Bob Dole “We’re now the liberals in the GOP”.

    Too often “Conservativism” has lost much of the Libertarian views that it embraced in its formation. A strong argument can be made that the Conservativism that featured strong individual rights, non-interference by government into local/state issues, has been replaced in many areas by people who have a moral agenda.

    The worst aspect of the “liberals and conservatives” in today’s discussion, is that they are too busy levelling platitudes to stop and listen, and at least attempt to hear the other.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 13, 2007 @ 4:39 am | Reply

  6. George Washington as a liberal? Or a conservative? I’m not sure either fits. But then I’m not sure that I fall clearly into either category either…

    Comment by Randy — March 13, 2007 @ 1:09 pm | Reply

  7. Okay…so maybe you can’t compare liberalism then with liberalism now…the historical contexts are vastly different…however, George Washington was a Liberal in the context of the time in which he lived, and Liberals today would be wise to remind people of that. Sure, times and views have changed…but the core Liberal ideals of being civil to your neighbor, compassion for others, and civil liberties for all (even if back then ALL did not mean ALL), still apply.

    Comment by David Schleicher — March 13, 2007 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

  8. #7
    I agree. I think that liberality of kindness, concern for others and civility within society are always high goals, and ones to strive for.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 13, 2007 @ 6:03 pm | Reply

  9. David, are you implying that conservatives do not believe in being civil to your neighbor, compassion for others, and civil liberties for all? I think all reasonable people agree on those things, not just liberals. The difference is how to go about them and what exactly are civil liberties and what things are wrong?

    Comment by thelonedrifter — March 13, 2007 @ 6:29 pm | Reply

  10. TLD – I don’t think that is the case, though I don’t answer for David. However, some of the rhetoric may give the perception that is true.

    It’s also the way the voices are told, and I think that the media has a part to play in that, and does so unfairly.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 13, 2007 @ 10:42 pm | Reply

  11. thelonedrifter–in a way, yes I am implying that. I have no doubt there are many reasonable minded conservative who do feel that way…but there are also many who don’t believe in gay rights and think only Christians are going to heaven and that there should be no seperation of Church and State. Certainly telling someone they are going to hell or forcing religion upon them is not being civil, and it denying liberties to some based on moral convictions. It is these conservatives of whome I speak, and whom I feel have hijacked the Conservative name and the Republican party. It is also these conservatives who like to rewrite history and claim the Founding Fathers as their own.

    Comment by David Schleicher — March 13, 2007 @ 11:50 pm | Reply

  12. Ahh, when is WordPress going to allow you to go back and edit or delete comments you make? Damn typos…hope that last rant made sense!

    Comment by David Schleicher — March 13, 2007 @ 11:59 pm | Reply

  13. David I agree with you.

    While I am not gay, and am not comfortable with it – and I have opinions about the lifestyle, they don’t superced civility. With regard to church/state the two are constantly bumping against each other, and usually with positive results – see earlier posts about that. It is when people take their personal views about morality and impose it down the throat of others that it becomes offensive, and that is when it is imposed from both libertines and puritans.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 14, 2007 @ 12:06 am | Reply

  14. David, so believing that only Christians go to heaven is wrong? Isn’t your saying that being intolerant? Why can’t you tolerate a Christian’s feelings?

    And as for gay rights, exactly what rights are they missing?

    All Christians that I know believe there should be a separation of Church and State. The question is, does that mean the state should ignore the church?

    Comment by Randy — March 14, 2007 @ 2:48 am | Reply

  15. Okay, okay…I’m not going to debate any further on this thread…Randy, I think I know where you are going with your questions and I’m not taking the bait…nor do I tend to continue to post on this and ruffle anyone else’s feathers. This has been an interesting discussion stemming from one small and powerful quote…but it’s not worth the time it would take for a full fledged blogging arguement when I don’t thinnk any of us intends to be persuaded.

    Comment by David Schleicher — March 14, 2007 @ 5:45 am | Reply

  16. David,
    You didn’t ruffle my feathers, and I purposely posted this to encourage a friendly dialogue.

    Thanks for your input!

    Comment by avoiceofreason — March 14, 2007 @ 5:52 am | Reply


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