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April 21, 2007

Giuliani on Immigration – Shifting to the Right

Rudy Giuliani is a long way from Ellis Island.

So starts a NYT editorial which analyzes the shifting of America’s Mayor’s position on illegal immigration.

A decade ago, as mayor of New York, Mr. Giuliani used that historic backdrop to champion the cause of immigrants, calling attacks on people who came here legally a blow to “the heart and soul of America.” And from City Hall he often defended illegal immigrants, ordering city workers not to deny them benefits and advocating measures to ease their path to citizenship.

While this is true, he has since stated, and the editorial does mention this, that was before 9/11, and that had a profound effect upon him. Giuliani’s views are not clear cut, but this issue simply does not have clear cut solutions, OTHER than stemming the tide of illegals, which Giuliani has backed consistently since 9/11, and still does vigorously.

“The reality is that they are here, and they’re going to remain here,” now he emphasizes denying amnesty.

At last “A Voice of Reason” regarding immigration policy.

“Immigration reform has to begin with border security because we are a nation at war,” said Anthony V. Carbonetti, a senior political adviser who has worked with Mr. Giuliani for 15 years. “He is still very proud that people want to come to this country.”

For now, Mr. Giuliani is relying on his reputation as a law-and-order mayor to convince voters that he will crack down on illegal immigration. He also sprinkles his comments with nods to his past statements, saying he would welcome immigrants willing to learn the language, respect the culture and follow the law.

These days, when he says he opposes amnesty, Mr. Giuliani says he does not mean that the millions of people here illegally should be deported, but rather, that they should have to earn their citizenship and that nothing should be accorded automatically.

On the campaign trail, he says the first order of business must be to try to identify the 12 million immigrants who are here illegally and issue them “tamper-proof” identification cards.

Then, he said, they should start paying taxes. If they want to become citizens, they should have to “get on the back of the line,” he said.

“And then, at the end of the line, if they are ever going to become citizens,” he said, “the thing I am really interested in, they have to read English, write English, speak English and be able to understand the basics of American civics.”

I particularly like the balanced and equitable approach Mr. Giuliani has towards this issue. These people who are here need to be legally protected, not deported, and then pay their dues and taxes and assimilate to our culture. While we may not like how they came here, the idea of uprooting them, detaining them and sending them home, isn’t going to happen, and it probably shouldn’t. However, the border must also be secured.

Mr Giuliani, recently in Iowa quoted another fairly liberal Republican, Abraham Lincoln.

“The best American is not the American who has been here the longest or the one who just arrived,” Mr. Giuliani said recently. It is the one who understands the principles of America the best because we are a country held together by ideas.”

Amen and Amen.

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8 Comments »

  1. I particularly like the balanced and equitable approach Mr. Giuliani has towards this issue. These people who are here need to be legally protected, not deported, and then pay their dues and taxes and assimilate to our culture. While we may not like how they came here, the idea of uprooting them, detaining them and sending them home, isn’t going to happen, and it probably shouldn’t. However, the border must also be secured.

    I am against amnesty (because that’s what this is), but if we are going to give it, we must give it AFTER we have secured out borders. There is no need in talking about what to do with the millions, if we are constantly allowing more to enter. Very few people mention that we already did this same stuff in 1986 with Reagan.

    I think that Rudy’s position is similar to that of GWB. I heard him speak of this a while ago b/f his “official presidency run.” It’s one of the reasons that I have this love/hate relationship with Rudy. Here he goes talking about something that I am against and here I am being OK with it.

    Comment by LLR — April 22, 2007 @ 4:36 pm | Reply

  2. What is the option? Busing 12 to 20 million out of the country?

    Comment by avoiceofreason — April 22, 2007 @ 4:47 pm | Reply

  3. What is the option? Busing 12 to 20 million out of the country?
    My friend and I were talking about this and he made a good point. A lot of politicians have asked that question but a single one has said that the gov’t can’t do it. The only way that I might say let them stay is if there are huge fines and they are barred from any gov’t services (Medicaid, welfare, WIC, etc) for a certain period of time.

    We also need to look at the financial impact of this. I think that we have become “dependant” on these illegals. Companies are shut down for periods of tie when there’s a raid. There is also the economic impact of taking out a huge chunk of the US population.

    Are you going to add 12-20 million people to the social security roles? Everyone is talking about how SS is in danger, so is adding 12-20 million people that have been not paying into the system a good idea?

    Comment by LLR — April 22, 2007 @ 4:56 pm | Reply

  4. I will never vote for anyone that is for any type of amnesty program. This is an issue that has gotten totally out of hand. It is an invasion and we have no idea who is coming across that border and I for one can not understand why it has not been stopped. We are suppose to be the leaders of the free world and can not even stop drug lords, gang members, thieves, and definitly those who do not care one thing about this country cross the borders by the thousands DAILY. If they truly wanted to come to this country to make a better life for themselves they would first and foremost learn to read, write and speak English, not expect us to learn Spanish. I have been turned down for jobs in the social service field because I was not biligual, that blows my mind. Why should any one in this country have to learn Spanish in order to be employed. So don’t try to tell me that it doesn’t effect jobs that only americans don’t want to do. I am tired of our hard earned tax money going to pay for these social service programs when I know those that are elderly that can not even afford to pay for their medications. What happens when we put them all on social security ? Will there be money there when I get ready to retire after putting money in for 40 years? We need to put our own citizens first. All of this is about is money and votes. It is time for ALL AMERICANS to stand up and say enough is enough, and I will make sure that my vote for one reflects that.

    Comment by TH Cook — May 4, 2007 @ 9:03 pm | Reply

  5. Most illegals come into this country legally, and overstay their welcome.

    I agree that securing the border is a priority, but it’s a 2000 mile border to the South and over 3000 miles to the north. A 700 mile fence will cost 60 BILLION dollars, maybe another way needs to be investigated.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — May 4, 2007 @ 11:00 pm | Reply

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