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May 16, 2007

The GOP SC Debate Who Won – Who Lost

First off – This debate was multitudes better than  MSNBC.  Chris Matthews, whom I don’t hate, made the debate too much about him, and the format and questions were significantly better.  One thing that was still wrong is that there are about four or five too many in the pack.  However, the law of natural selection will weed out the field, it’s just taking too much time!

Here are some comments and the grades on the debate in no particular order.

Sen. McCain –  Strong on Iraq – “They’ll follow us home”.  The taxcuts – which he opposed – need to be permanent.  He is strongly opposed to “enhanced interrogation”.  He got a good laugh on his drunken sailor line.  He also showed a good deal of faith in the bipartisan working together of Congress – which has been lacking for awhile in Washington.  All in all, he seemed much less caffeinated than the last debate, and offered some answers.  Some of them just won’t sell to the base.  He and Romney got into a nice little tiff, which was encouraged by FOX.  Overall I’d say a solid B.

Gov. Thompson – Boy, you can tell this guy was a former health and human service guy, I mean his answer on stem cell research was thorough.  He would “require” Iraq to take certain steps with regard to forming provinces and a federation – but I’m not sure that the President of the US is able to write the system of government for another country, but it’s not a terrible idea.  The guy just doesn’t have pizzazz.  I think he’s hit his arc as a Secretary in the Cabinet, but at least he didn’t put his foot in his mouth as he did last time.  Grade of C and time to go home.

Gov. Romney – Didn’t get to hog the mike as he was allowed to on the MSNBC debate, but did well.  He is being painted as a lib and some of the base will likley remember this – and it may hurt him.  Sen. McCain’s comment about changing positions by year or office is meant for him and was a pretty good zinger.  He wants to put benchmarks on the economy and that idea sounds fairly good.  Not as good as last time and he took a few hit.  B+

Sen. Brownback – I have to say that I really “hated” his answer on abortion with a rape victim.  I know some may like his view, but I find it rather offensive.  I liked some of his remarks concerning energy have merit.  He would like to see more consensus with Iraq between Republicans and Democrats, which I would like too, as well as having a million dollars in my account.  He didn’t hit any out of the park, and his numbers won’t go up.  I just don’t see him as the next President.  Grade of C and time to go home.

Rep. Tancredo  – He was a good deal less nervous tonight, but still seems a bit on the squirrely side.  He would like to see some real cuts in Medicare and shelve NCLB.  He gets a good yuck on the conversions with Road to Des Moines when compared to Road to Damascus.  Much better than the first night, but still has no chance to win.  His campaign will die out from lack of oxygen.  Time to go home with your C+.

Mayor Giuliani – He was much better on the abortion issue with articulation of a clear policy – which we all knew.  He talks about his differences with Sen. Clinton on economic issues.  When it came to terrorism and defense he hit the ball out of the park and spanked Rep. Paul pretty soundly.  The crowd livened up and you can tell he was pretty angry at the remarks of Rep. Paul.  This will be the headline and the soundbite when he stepped in – not polite, but showing leadership.  He also had to love it when Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney were sniping at each other.  A very good night for Rudy, and he’ll get a bump after a few tough weeks.  B+/A-.

Rep. Paul  – Well the Fox snap phone poll has him winning, which shows you how unreliable those phone in polls are.  He is very different and very libertarian with regard to Iraq.  He may score points with some by saying US policies are part of the 9/11 equation, but that will not sell with the base.  At this time he is just serving comedic value. He may be toast with the base, but his non-GOP views may help him as a maverick, but he has no chance at all, not that he ever did.  Grade D and probably a note to go home.

Rep. Hunter –  A lot of the NAFTA and Free trade gang will hate this guy because he doesn’t want to tank our economoy to prop up Communist China.  I like this guy!  I like that his son was in Fallujah – speaks volumes about him.  He feels that Iraqis are starting to bear more of the burden of the war and this will increase.  I think he’s bucking for Sec Defense job. B+

Gov. Huckabee – The guy has a way of working the audience; I guess it comes with the preacher territory.  He scores the yuck of the night with the John Edwards haircut joke,  and makes a few pointed barbs with abortion and Giuliani’s position.  Overall he does well, he relates to the people well and may stay around after this debate.  Grade B+

Gov. Gilmore – Don’t send us to a website unless it is mine!  Gov. Gilmore takes the attack mode, going after the front runners labeling them as “Rudy McRomney”.  All this does is allow the front runners to have the opportunity to defend their positions.  He doesn’t really answer the questions too directly, and for that he may have hurt himself.  Grade D+ and a note to not come back to class.

Who helped themselves   Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter

Who got hurt Rep Paul, Gov. Gilmore, Gov. Thompson, Sen. Brownback, Rep. Tancredo

Who stayed pat – Sen. McCain, Gov. Romney

Hopefully, the field will be seven with four going out, and a presumed entrace of Sen. Thompson for the next round.  We’ll see.

8 Comments »

  1. I just finished my comprehensive post on this and gave grades out as well. I’ll get ya linked up. I guess I’ve been surprised to see others favor Duncan Hunter like I do. Dean Barnett said that in a better world he would be in the top tier, I agree!!

    Comment by Little Miss Chatterbox — May 16, 2007 @ 6:41 am | Reply

  2. I agree, much better debate than the last. Thank you Fox.

    McCain- he was okay. He didn’t seem comfortable to me up there… but I also know that doesn’t determine who makes a good President. But I think it still effects how he is percieved. drunken sailor comment was “sort of” funny to me, but he just didn’t pull it off so great. If he seemed more natural up there it would have come off better.

    Thompson- Was not impressed.

    Rudy- I think he avoided the abortion flub he had last time by being more forthright this time, however the best thing that happened for him in this debate was Ron Paul’s ignorant comment about 9/11. At that point we got to see the real Romney. He was reacting the way most people watching probably wanted to and it was clearly unscripted. Major Kudos for that. I agree he will bump up now. Oh also- His comment on being the first name in “rudy mcromney” made me laugh. He seemed much more loosened up by then

    Brownbeck- I think he did to the rape question what Romney did with the Abortion. He almost seemed afraid to give his real answer, intimidated. I just wish he had been clearer on it. There are ways to answer it and not seem so weak.

    Romney- He really comes off well on camera when you see him next to the others… but that is a shallow observation- however we all know that the public is effected by that. not really impressed or unimpressed. He did come off more liberal because of the hits he took

    Tancredo- He was ‘ok’. DIdn’t really like the conversions on the road to Iowa comment a ton (because his personality had a hard time pulling it off), but the point is well taken! It was a pretty good hit.

    Ron Paul- Can I just say ‘yuck’. somebody pull that man off the stage.

    Hunter- Glad he is not for China as you said, but somehow I must have zoned on that part. It does speak volumes that his son served. I like him. And he is also who I seem to always get when I take the candidate quiz.

    Huckabee- Laughed hard on the Edwards comment. scripted, but funny. It was nice to see a couple 2nd stringers doing so well.

    Gilmore- I actually really thought that “rudy mcRomney” was funny. And any Grey’s Anatomy fan will get it even more.

    Over all i think Ron Paul was the biggest Loser of the night.
    Rudy ended up winning SOLEY from his reaction to the 911 thing.
    Hunter and Huckabee tied for 2nd.

    Comment by mommyzabs — May 16, 2007 @ 7:01 pm | Reply

  3. I have no real clear winner although Rudi scored huge points with me for his comeback to Ron Paul. He seemed genuinely upset and dimayed by Paul’s 9/11 comments and his retort was on the money.

    I have a definite loser though and that is Ron Paul. I can’t believe he joined the blame America first crowd. And just as bad as that he said he would listen to the terrorists to see why they did it.
    Disgusting.

    Comment by mpinkeyes — May 16, 2007 @ 11:39 pm | Reply

  4. Your post is brilliant. It is similar to my analysis. Like the site, added you to my link list.

    Comment by The Real Sporer — May 17, 2007 @ 1:13 am | Reply

  5. I am still saddened to see that the Dems are too gutless to have one lousy debate on Fox.

    Comment by totaltransformation — May 17, 2007 @ 3:01 am | Reply

  6. Well if they can’t face the evil of Brit Hume, Chris Wallace and Wendell Goller, imagine how well they’d deal with the real world with Bin-Laden, and the other crazies where “Buying a vowel” is a necessity to understand their names.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — May 17, 2007 @ 3:55 am | Reply

  7. Hey, total, I added you, now it’s your turn🙂

    Comment by avoiceofreason — May 17, 2007 @ 4:49 am | Reply

  8. Thanks VOR. Favor is officially returned.

    Comment by totaltransformation — May 17, 2007 @ 10:43 am | Reply


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