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May 23, 2007

Edwards: “War on Terror a Bumper Sticker”

From ABC News:

Democrat John Edwards Wednesday repudiated the notion that there is a “global war on terror,” calling it an ideological doctrine advanced by the Bush administration that has strained American military resources and emboldened terrorists.

“We need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st-century threats, not misused for discredited ideological purposes,” Edwards said. “By framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam.”

Man, I guess I’m sorry I missed the memo that the WOT was over. Now, while I don’t always feel that there has been wise and consisent handling about this issue, I think Sen. Edwards is either very naive or simply pandering to the left part of the Democratic Party. Since, he was a successful litagator, and no, that doesn’t eliminate the former, I’ll have to opt for the latter.

Sen. Edwards may have the left in his pocket, but that leaves about 80% of the population, HOPEFULLY, scratching their heads in amazement at his rhetoric.

GOP Frontrunner, Rudy Giuliani, was quick to comment on Edwards’ comments.

“One of the democratic Presidential candidates today gave a speech in New York and the speech that he gave suggested that the global war on terror was no more than a slogan of George Bush’s,” Mr. Giuliani told a gathering of employees of an insurance company in Keene. “I understand the zeal and the overzealousness that some of these people have to attack George Bush. It comes out a of a political process,” he said. “I think it is wrong. I think it doesn’t put George Bush’s presidency in proper perspective.”

Talk about hitting the nail on the head. Later on Giuliani did mention Mr. Edwards by name. The reason that Mr. Edwards will not even validate the US’ efforts in this area are driven by the mindframe of the demagogues. Purely and simply that is what the base of the Democratic Party has become. Then again, what can one expect from pigs but grunts. The mindlessness of the Dems is having them live up to their mascot, jackasses.



  1. If, my dear misguided friend, there is a war on terror then George Bush and the vile evil neocons have made it worse by invading Iraq. There were no revengers in Iraq until the warmongering liars who stole the White House invaded it. D U H

    The revenge attackers usually attack inside Isarel or the occuipied terrorities. They do so because of Isareli genocide, ethnic cleasing and other atrocities committed against them. Therefore our biased support of Israel has brought the revenge attacks to our shores. In which case one must look at the United States’ policies and ask whether or not we are the terrorists who attack the Palestinians.

    Israel has shown that violence does not end revenge attacks but creates more. Therefore if there is a war on terrorism Bush is not the answer to stopping it.

    Furthermore you cannot attack an entire nation because someone commits an act of terrorism. If Tim McVeigh has committed such an act in another nation would that give that country the right to attack us? D U H

    Furthermore those who attacked us on 9-11 were from Saudia Arabia! Bush must have gotten lost because he doesn’t know where Saudi Arabia is and mistakenly attacked Iraq! haha you duh duh boy. Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia.

    Comment by thesouthtoday — May 23, 2007 @ 10:55 pm | Reply

  2. The South Today shows brilliance from the very first paragraph. Get over 2000, you lost.

    Now, does that mean that the current administration is given carte blanche, hardly.

    Also, stick to the comments made by Sen. Edwards, and try not to use this as a forum. If you fail to see that there is a concerted effort that has been in motion since the 1990’s concentrated against the United States then there just isn’t much to talk about. 9/11 took years to plan, it wasn’t done over a weekend.

    You are correct in that there is no state with a return address, which makes this war much harder to fight, but saying it doesn’t exist, or that it exists purely for political purposes is assinine.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — May 23, 2007 @ 11:25 pm | Reply

  3. Hey.
    i missed most the news today so thank you for the re-cap on this.
    i really don’t want to plub my blog here so i won’t link to it or anything. but i would really love your opinion on my post about the war… the idea of ‘just war’. I just know you come from a moderate perspective and I’m kinda just really trying to figure out where i stand. i know you are super busy so if you don’t get the time that is okay.

    Comment by mommyzabs — May 24, 2007 @ 2:01 am | Reply

  4. Edwards is correct that Bush has an ideology that goes against everything America is supposed to represent. Bush’s ideology of preemptive or aggressive war is not only against our Consitution (too bad people such as yourself are willing to trash it for partisan purposes at the drop of a hat) but it is an international war crime whose precedent was set at NUREMBERG. Bush and the vile evil Jewish zionist neocons are the new hitlers and stalins.Some people might get a clue since we have MORE terrorism today than before bush. what kind of war increases what you are fighting against. duh

    Obviously ethnic and religious states are anti-democratic and against the United States Constitution and Israel is an ethnic state. Israelis are engaged in ethnic cleansing, genocide and other atrocities and they should be stopped just as we stopped Hitler and his Aryan Nation. If ethnic states have suddenly become acceptable then we should make the USA into an Aryan Christian nation. But you can’t have it both ways. Neither our God nor our Consitution suspends the rules of right and wrong depending upon who is doing the deed. To end the revenge attacks we must change our policies toward Israel.

    The USA are the terrorists because we attacked Iraq which had done nothing to us and we invaded Afganistan when they have done nothing to us and you are still a dull duh boy who is so weak minded and weak in character that you will abandon the Consitution if some idiot like Bush and the corporate media tell you to. sad

    Perhaps you should learn about petro dollars and the declining US economy and the rising economy of China and the rest of Asia. Perhaps we need to keep the oil from China in order to cool its economy. Perhaps we are ruled by finanical elites and we don’t have a democracy after all. Perhaps we are in the middle east to fight for the rich in America rather than defending ourselves or waging a war on terrorism. Perhaps the war we need to wage is against the financial elites who are taking away everything we have.

    The United Nations has perdicted that by 2050 we will be overwhelmed with immigrants from Africa, Asia and the middle east. This is Globalization. Globalization benefits the wealthy and not the rest of us. Immigration is not written in stone but it will happen on behalf of business whether it is good for us or not.

    How in the name of God can a rational person believe there is a war on terror when our southern border is wide open. DUH Its Globalization stupid. Its Zionism. 60% of the Democrat’s campaign money comes from Jews. The moneybags in our party gave Al Gore the boot and forced John Kerry off on us who said he would do a BETTER job of killing in the middle east than Bush so that Americans had no real choice in the last presidential election. follow the money. war on terrorism my ass. duh

    Comment by thesouthtoday — May 24, 2007 @ 1:04 pm | Reply

  5. Your ignorance with regard to the Constitution is immense. Please state where the hands of CINC are tied to not move preemptively against a threat.

    What difference does the nature of a sovereign state have with our regard to ties with them, from a “Constitutional rationale”? I would also differ with your assessment of Israel, and I am hardly in favor of giving that state “carte blanche”, but your use of hyperbole show that you are an ideologue and not willing to frame a discussion via rational thought.

    Among the many reasons that were stated for the attack upon Iraw, were that they had not lived up to their agreements with regard to the ending of Gulf War One. That alone was enough to legitimize an action against that nation. With regard to the wealthy benefitting from war, that, sadly, that has merit, but the way you frame it into your discussion is like that of a fourteen year old writing an essay for their final exam. So is the use of personal perjuratives, so lay off with the invectitude, or your posts will be doing a Houdini.

    If you want to discuss, come with well prepared arguments, minus invectitude. If you want to do that go to “kos” or polipundit where manners are not appreciated.

    Comment by avoiceofreason — May 24, 2007 @ 8:16 pm | Reply

  6. The USA are the terrorists because we attacked Iraq which had done nothing to us and we invaded Afganistan when they have done nothing to us and you are still a dull duh boy who is so weak minded and weak in character that you will abandon the Consitution if some idiot like Bush and the corporate media tell you to. sad

    THe above statement by thesouthtoday shows exactly the type of problem we are in today.The USA are the terrorists according to him. This is digusting.This seems to be a disturbing trend in the ring of ideas lately. How are we suppsed to defend our country when people are starting to say we are the terrorists?
    Isn’t it ironic that the people who tell us we need to celebrate diversity, and accept multi-culturism don’t have any tolerance when it comes to conservatives? On top of everything else, this bastion of tolerance and acceptance seems to be a raging anti-semite.

    Comment by mpinkeyes — May 25, 2007 @ 1:58 am | Reply

  7. Yeah, it’s just those dirty Jews again! Ridiculous. In my book, anti-Semitism (oh, excuse me, anti-Zionist, wink wink) automatically invalidates the rest of a person’s argument.

    I don’t know why these people are so solipsistic. There are well-funded, bloodthirsty, and utterly insane religious fanatics who have been attacking the West for 30 years now, with greater and greater frequency and on a more and more deadly scale. They tell us in their own words, every time they get the chance, that they will not stop until the United States is destroyed and they have established a worldwide Islamic state. There is no question that they are at war with us: whether or not we fight back has nothing to do with whether there is, in fact, a war. But trying to explain this to the loony left is like trying to explain quantum physics to my cat.

    Comment by lewdandlascivious — May 25, 2007 @ 4:16 am | Reply

  8. Really? They are all at war with us? Is that why we are going into Iran next? To get more al-qaeda I suppose? Oh, that’s right, if you knew anything about Muslims, you would know that al-queda are radical Sunni Muslims. Iran is Shia and they are mortal enemies. For decades they kept each other in check and attacked us only because of our policy of meddling in Middle East affairs.

    Ronald Reagan “cut and run” from Lebanon after 241 marines were killed. Why would he do this even after stating he would stay to finish the job? Because he realized we can’t deal with the irrationality of Middle East politics. When will we realize the same? We won’t because we plan to stay forever. 14 US bases being built and the world’s largest embassy ever built. Sounds permanant to me. It’s the realization of a newcon manifest destiny to dominate the Middle East. Read PNAC documents.

    By the way peemptive war is not compatable with Christianity. You are against thought crimes aren’t you? Well preemptive war is a thought crime on a grand scale. How do we really know the other intentions? Further, how can you even trust a governemnt that has already lied us into one war. Tread down that path lightly because one day, the thought crime will be Bible reading in public and you will be preemptively taken away so as to not commit a future crime.

    In the hands of CINC. Listen to you. It’s called the Führerprinzip silly.

    Enjoy and God bless.

    Comment by Jim — May 26, 2007 @ 3:26 am | Reply

  9. “Bush and the vile evil Jewish zionist neocons are the new hitlers and stalins”

    Wow, wacky tin foil hat wearing cook alert!

    Comment by totaltransformation — May 26, 2007 @ 11:27 am | Reply

  10. Is terrorism gone? Not by a long shot. Look at what happened in England, Spain, and various other places around the world that al-Qaeda has claimed credit for. Does anyone really think that they will not attack the US again?

    Israel committing violent acts for the sake of violent acts? Look at the indoctrination that the children get on Arabic TV stations (search UTube and you’ll see what I mean). Look at the history of Hamas & Hezbollah firing rockets and bombs in Israel from various other countries. Sounds like self-defense to me…

    And Edwards wants to be President with his head in the sand. Pitiful…

    Comment by Tom — May 27, 2007 @ 12:47 am | Reply

  11. Hmmm. I guess when someone says straight out, over and over again, that they want to destroy my country and kill as many Americans as possible, and then they back it up by funding terrorist groups and building nuclear weapons, I take them seriously as a threat. It’s not like any (rational) person needs to read between the lines when it comes to al-Qaeda, or for that matter, Iran: Ahmadinejad promises to destroy America just about every time he gets in front of a microphone. Folks like Jim won’t think there’s a need to act until there’s a mushroom cloud over one of our cities–and then maybe, juuuuust maybe, we should launch a few missiles at camels in the desert.

    Tom, you are right. I just did a massive research paper on Palestinian Authority-sponsored media programming, and the systematic indoctrination of Palestinian children through such media and through their school curriculum. I spent weeks wading through videos and documents–and that was just the government-sponsored stuff. It’s a death cult, plain and simple, and the Israelis are just trying to survive. So many idiots cannot tell friend from foe, and it’s gotten ridiculous because we’re not talking about shades of gray here.

    Comment by lewdandlascivious — May 28, 2007 @ 2:46 am | Reply

  12. I’d like to get into this one because I have disagreements with much of what is said here. I think this is all too complex to hash out in a few paragraphs. I do think I can’t trust this current government. I didn’t agree with Reagan’s ideology, but, with the exception of Iran-Contra, I always had the feeling he was playing within the rules.

    I do think we need to be more together as a nation. However, I find it hard to be together over the “go-it-alone” rhetoric and the Guantanamo Bay prison where so many people seem to have been noncombatants or at least not Al-Qaeda operatives (research? sorry, not today). And I have even less faith in the President to get the job done when he doesn’t listen to commanders and simply sweeps people aside until he get the ones that will best fit his political rhetoric. This is how it has seemed to me over the past year, anyway.

    Comment by rationalpsychic — June 11, 2007 @ 4:22 am | Reply

  13. Democrats will lose this election if they don’t lose their image as weaklings. They need to learn and accept that the pre-Bush years were merely the calm before the storm.

    Comment by Roach — October 26, 2007 @ 9:15 pm | Reply

  14. Just vote for Ron Paul and be done with all this Madness.


    Comment by British Patriot — November 1, 2007 @ 8:53 pm | Reply

  15. I really don’t understand Giuliani’s supposed widespread support, I mean he has not one but two ex-wives that hate him, nobody respects his new twenty-something wife (ex-wife #3 wating to happen), his own kids will probably be in commercials bashing him, I mean this guy makes Bill Clinton look like a saint. It’s only a matter of time before the dems zero in on him and show the world the real Giuliani.

    Comment by edtajchman — November 9, 2007 @ 10:00 pm | Reply

  16. You might find this of interest

    Comment by Randy Allgaier — November 12, 2007 @ 12:30 am | Reply

  17. Edwards is right. Giuliani seems indeed engaged in a war on Islam.
    Want some evidence?

    Comment by Raphael — January 12, 2008 @ 2:28 am | Reply

  18. @ thesouthtoday “Bush and the vile evil Jewish zionist neocons are the new hitlers and stalins.”
    If thats the case thesouthtoday then give me a brown shirt and more ammo… get behind me boy and try not to cry too loud, you’ll give our postiion away… freakin pansy ass

    I see Randy Allgaier frequents this blog… at least he’s a lib who’s opinion I can respectfully disagree with,,, you,,, thesouthtoday,,, make me sick…

    Roach made sense… these misguided mislim’s have been testing our perimeter for decades… I have a bullet for every last stinkin one of them..

    Comment by TRM — February 1, 2008 @ 1:02 am | Reply

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